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Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] More Questions
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 16:58:21 -0500
Hi Daniel, you asked:
"Are we agreed that the phrase "Root Race"
only ever occurs in the chapter titles of GA 121, and therefore
does not go back to Steiner?"
Peter Staudenmaier:
No, we are not in agreement about that. My copy of GA 121
contains no chapter titles whatsoever. In the English translation,
"root races" occurs both in the titles and in the
body of the text. There is a helpful note by the Gesamtausgabe
editors on p. 572 of GA 266a, Aus den Inhalten der esoterischen
Stunden, about Steiner's racial terminology; the editors equate
"Wurzelrasse" and "Hauptrasse" in Steiner's
usage. So did Steiner, of course.
Daniel:
Ok. Let's try this again. Are we agreed that the phrase "Root
Race" (specifically as the German "Wurzelrassen")
does not occure in the German text of GA 121?" (Yes,
"Hauptrassen" occurs twice, but we can look at that
later).
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Daniel wrote:
"Can you tell me where I can read more about the wondrous
"Nordic spirit" in GA 121? I seem to have missed
it."
Peter Staudenmaier:
The latter half of the book is about the spiritual mysteries
of Nordic man. There you can read all about "the Germanic
and Nordic Folk Spirit" (e.g. p. 162 or p. 168), the
"Folk Spirit of the North" (p. 172), and "the
Folk Spirit who rules over the Northern lands." (p. 183)
Daniel:
Somehow, when I read the phrase "nordic spirit"
I think of something like "esprit de corps" or "that's
a nice horse, it really has spirit" or in this case,
"Those are great men, they possess nordic spirit."
If the Spirit is supposed to be a single being, shouldn't
it be capitalized or something, do differentiate it from the
generic reading?
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Daniel wrote:
"I have become quite interested in the heiarchy of planetary
forces. Could you perhaps explain how I am missing it in GA
121?"
Peter Staudenmaier:
I don't know how you are missing it. Maybe you and I disagree
about what hierarchy is. I think his description of the "racial
character" of black, yellow, brown, and red people in
relation to Europeans is obviously hierarchical. In the same
volume I recommended above, Aus den Inhalten der esoterischen
Stunden, Steiner designates Jupiter as "higher"
(pp. 302-307) and says that the goal of esoteric contemplation
is "to develop oneself into Jupiter consciousness"
("sich in das Jupiterbewusstsein hineinzuentwickeln",
p. 307).
Daniel:
So a five page gap between the word "high" and "Jupiter
consciousness" is supposed to establish that Jupiter
is above other planets (even though the other planets appear
not to be mentioned in this context). And this establishes
a racial heiarchy? I'd be curious to hear more about this.
What are the designations (adjectives used to describe) the
other planetary consciousnesses? And how does a planetary
consciousness relate to planetary physical formative forces?
I'd very much like to know.
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Daniel wrote:
"What sports are banned in European Waldorf Schools?"
Peter Staudenmaier:
Sports where a ball is kicked.
Daniel:
Ok. So is the ban in place in all European Waldorf Schools
as the phrase implies? If I find one counter-example does
that invalidate the statement?
What is the mechanism by which this ban is communicated and
enforced? Are there sanctions for breaking it?
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Daniel wrote:
"What is your source for evaluating the political leanings
of some 2 million of Steiner's followers?"
Peter Staudenmaier:
Where do you think I do this? I don't even agree that there
are 2 million Steiner followers in the world.
Daniel:
Ok. Perhaps you could define how you determine someone to
be a follower of Steiner for the purposes of determining their
political leanings, and perhaps say a few things about how
many you think there are overall and in the various categories.
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Daniel wrote:
"I'm curious about the organization of Waldorf Schools
in Europe. In what sense are they a network?"
Peter Staudenmaier:
There are lots of networks of Waldorf schools in Europe. Detlef
works for one of them.
Daniel:
Ok. Could you be more specific? How are they organized?
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Daniel wrote:
"Why do you feel that Steiner's 7 years in Weimar were
not intellectually formative?"
Peter Staudenmaier:
Because he largely recapitulated the main themes of German
Idealism during that period, in my view, in contrast to the
Vienna and Berlin periods.
Daniel:
Just to be clear then, the introductions to Goethe's scientific
writings, Steiner's PhD thesis and Epistomology, and the Philosphy
of Freedom are irrelevant to Steiner's "theosophical-anthroposophical"
period? Or do you mean that he didn't accomplish anything
new with these.
Also, could you tell me a little about Steiner's first time
through German Idealism (a recapitulation to me implies that
he was going back to something he had previously worked on.)
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Daniel wrote:
"Can you describe a typical "anthroposophical ritual"
to me? I would love to hear about them!"
Peter Staudenmaier:
I don't know where you live, but if there's a biodynamic farm
somewhere in the vicinity, you might ask to watch while they
make one of the preparations. It's pretty boring, if you ask
me; lots of stirring and changing direction and so forth.
Daniel:
Oh, yea, I remember doing that last year (my wife and I were
curious where our vegetables came from). That is a ritual?
It is a bunch of people stirring water in buckets. I don't
recall anything ceremonious about it.
Are there any other rituals you know of?
Daniel Hindes
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